Posts by Wake Me Up Before You Jo-Ho

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Are JWs "mind trained" to be habitual liars?

by nonjwspouse in

i don't mean overly obvious, or otherwise meaning to cause harm, but taught to lie for the purpose of avoidance.

this type of lying can be pervasive in areas of life that are not just to avoid discussions with people who have questions about the jw, etc.

my husband will lie/be deceitful about the silliest, simple things.

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@nonjwspouse Sweetie... I'm almost in tears reading your response to me. I have tremendous respect for you not viewing this man as disposable. If anything, I want to shout at my computer screen that your husband is so unworthy of your greatness : (. But I DO understand your emotional tug-of-war. In fact, if we replaced "getting a divorce" with "leaving the WT organization", I'd be reading a similar expression of heartfelt agony. When we started waking up to the horrifying realization that we were in an unhealthy, deceptive relationship (with this CULT), we all undoubtedly went through similar stages of grief. We were conditioned to hallucinate that a life OUTSIDE of WT would be FAR WORSE than if we remained a part of it. Some of us had family in the balance - children who'd just been baptized and would shun us for simply walking away from the WT's abuse. Families HAVE been torn apart because of our awakening. So, yes, I do sympathize deeply with your struggle and have nothing but admiration for your intense protection the gorgeous daughter who is in the middle of all of this. If we knew one another personally, I'd be bringing coffee over to your house right now so we can hug, cry, laugh and put back the broken pieces of your soul back together. Sending you so much love. If you feel comfortable disclosing what part of the world you are in, I can try map out if we're close enough so I can actually do something proactive for you.

xoxoxox

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Jupiter protects the earth... another example of intellectual dishonesty and an argument against design

by cognisonance in

i'm taking a university astronomy course, and i must say it's really fun to read about this field.

anyway, i remember the jws used to use jupiter (and probably still do) as an example for how unique and special our solar system is (and thus designed) -- namely, that jupiter protects the earth from astroids, comets, and meteors.

convincing if one doesn't know any better, especially circa 1994 when jupiter stepped in front of a comet for us... but this isn't the full story!

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@Island Man I was taught that this "expanse" of water surrounding our planet was used up in the Great Flood. Thank goodness for the atmosphere being there as a good backup! Phew.

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Study with an Elder - propose a question.

by CitizenofEarth in

hello there.. as some of you might remember i am keeping my facade up by "studying" with an elder.

this study however is more of a session where i put hard questions about the org, doctrine and so on, on the table.

the time has come for the next session in a couple of days, and i have quite frankly lost the will to keep digging up things that just shouldn't be happening.

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Hey! Someone posted a list of questions on a thread about a news article pertaining to the upcoming convention where it stated "all questions will be welcomed at this convention," or something. I apologize deeply as I do not remember who the poster of these incredible questions is, but I did copy and paste them into a Word doc to keep handy. This is the poster's list of questions below. If anyone remembers who the author is, please let me know so I can give them the rightful credit.

01. Was C.T. Russel guided by the holy spirit when he predicted the end for 1914 and then changed it to 1915?

02. Was C.T. R. Guided by Gods spirit when he taught phrenology and pyramidology?

03. Why did C.T.R. abandon Nelson Barbour over doctrinal dispute, yet no JW today is allowed to do the same as they will be called apostates and mentally diseased and running ahead of Gods chariot?

04. Why was Rutherford allowed to proclaim himself as a "Judge" and advertised as "Judge" Rutherford if JW's tell everyone that they don't accept titles like Reverend or Father? BTW Rutherford was never an official Judge so why did he lie and no one stopped him?

05. Did God guide Rutherford to predict the end of the world for 1918, 1925 & 1941? If not, where did he get those ideas from?

06. Did the WT refund the money donated by their followers for building a mansion in San Diego for Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David and others? Why on earth would these prophets want to live in San Diego?

07. If JW's are not a cult, why are JW's obligated to accept without question whatever the GB says is truth even though it may change in a couple of weeks?

08. Why is there no mention of the Douglas Walsh 1954 trial where H.D. Covington admits that the Unity of the WT organization is "unity at all cost" even if it means accepting false doctrine? (See transcript) Any JW refusing to accept what the GB says will be df.

09. The brochure "face the facts" Rutherford predicted that Italy, Japan & Germany would win WW2 and conquer America and its allies. Why didn't this come true if Gods spirit directs the Orgnization?

10. How can the GB demand blind obedience from the followers when they have over 130 yrs of false prophecies?

11. Doesn't Deuteronomy 18:20-22 mean anything to JW's?

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Jupiter protects the earth... another example of intellectual dishonesty and an argument against design

by cognisonance in

i'm taking a university astronomy course, and i must say it's really fun to read about this field.

anyway, i remember the jws used to use jupiter (and probably still do) as an example for how unique and special our solar system is (and thus designed) -- namely, that jupiter protects the earth from astroids, comets, and meteors.

convincing if one doesn't know any better, especially circa 1994 when jupiter stepped in front of a comet for us... but this isn't the full story!

Wake Me Up Before You Jo-Ho

I absolutely envy you! Astronomy is a field of science I absolutely love! Our universe just fills me with so much awe. Always has, even when I was a little girl. Speaking of faulty design, I'm sure you're familiar with the Andromeda's collision course with our Milky Way? This galactic collision is predicted to occur in about four billion years. Of course, that's forever away. But if God's purpose is for the earth to "stand to time indefinite" and for the righteous to "possess the earth forever", what sort of a set up is that for our planet?!

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Beards a-poppin!

by neat blue dog in

i live in a pretty conservative area of the united states, and in the past two decades i can remember 2, that's right, two instances of seeing a jw with a beard in my area.

(not counting myself at times, 😜, and i'm obviously not counting bearded visitors dressed in casual clothes).. however at this year's convention, i saw about a dozen bearded jws .

this is like an explosion where i live.

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That's it. I'm not waxing my upper lip this month. FREEEEDOMMMM!!!!

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Weekly Scripture Twist - aka the Watchtower Study

by doubtfull1799 in

“more than material assistance, refugees need spiritual and emotional support.

(matt.

4:4) elders can help by obtaining literature in the language of the refugees and by helping them contact brothers who speak their language.

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@stuckinarut2 Good point.

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"A little leaven ferments the whole batch of dough". A way to make witnesses think!?

by stuckinarut2 in

how can we briefly make a calm, dignified point to witnesses we care about such as family or friends?

how can we make them think?.

here are a couple of well known scriptures: (from the revised new world translation.

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I wish there was some kind of magic phrase/line of reasoning that universally disables the trance of all Witnesses when presented with that statement. "Shallow Hal wants a gal...". Boom. You've been exposed, WT, you fat f*cks:

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Cart work - picture speaks for itself

by doubtfull1799 in

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As @stuckinarut2 put it, "nothing creepy about that at all!" Two old guys staring at a bunch of teenage girls in mini skirts playing netball. This is gross on a whole other level.

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Weekly Scripture Twist - aka the Watchtower Study

by doubtfull1799 in

“more than material assistance, refugees need spiritual and emotional support.

(matt.

4:4) elders can help by obtaining literature in the language of the refugees and by helping them contact brothers who speak their language.

Wake Me Up Before You Jo-Ho

@tepidpoultry Our Kingdom Hall has five screens. Two at the front, two suspended from the ceiling midway in the hall, and one in the auxiliary/second school. Total saturation for the audience. No escaping the cult propaganda. Only a matter of time before we get mini-screens drilled into the back of each cubical door in the restrooms.

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Are you a Christian Who Accepts Evolution?

by cofty in

if you identify as a christian but you have accepted that the diversity of life - including humans - resulted from a process of biological evolution could you add your name please?.

just to be clear i am referring to the fact that our physical lineage could literally be traced back all the way to non-human species.. if you like maybe you could comment on why you see not conflict between evolution and your christian faith.. there is a tendency to conflate evolution with atheism.

it would be good to show that this is not the case..

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@pseudoxristos Exactly right. You'd have to believe that for over 100,000 years, heaven looked down with indifference, watching homo sapiens flounder, suffering the most cruel existence (expectation of life: 25 years. Infant mortality: rife. Micro organism diseases: terrifying. Primary cause of death: teeth. Earthquakes and volcanoes: extraordinarily common. Fights over land, territory, food, and women: beyond frightening). And for 98,000 years, heaven remained cold and detached. And then, around 4,000 years ago, in really barbaric, backward, illiterate parts of the Middle East (not in China, by the way, where people could read or think or do science), heaven decides "We can't let this go on. We better intervene." And what better way to do so than via a human sacrifice and plagues and mass murder. Real logical thinking.